Juvenile Criminal Law & Defense in Virginia…

WTDW Podcast | Episode 2: Juvenile Criminal Law & Defense.

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WTDW Podcast | Episode 2: Juvenile Criminal Law & Defense.

Intro 0:01
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Scott Cardani 

Hey guys, this is Scott and Jackie from Critzer Cardani. We’re starting a little podcast series that we’re calling legal aid for parents, or a dummies guide to the legal first for parents.

Jackie Critzer 

And today’s episode, we’re gonna really focus on juvenile criminal defense and what that looks like from before kids are in trouble and arrested, maybe in trouble at school, all the way through to the end of a case and how to get there. what that feels like what that looks like, Scott, where where can you start guiding parents on, you know, maybe a parent whose teen is just gotten in trouble. Maybe it just at school, something fairly innocuous?

Scott Cardani 1:28
Well, I think the biggest thing that we have to do as parents is educate our children as to their rights, their constitutional rights. And it sounds extreme, because we want our kids to be this, these honest kids who are forthright. And a lot of people think when you do the things, I’m going to start talking about that you’re shading that but it really we have to start to rethink and re educate ourselves that not everybody has the right to hear your story. Not everybody has the right to have information from you just because they want it. So we start with that premise that nobody has the right and that goes right into the Constitution and was written that we have the right not to incriminate ourselves. In so many young people incriminate themselves from the minute they start. And most of the time by the time a case gets to me and I’ve been doing this for almost 30 years. By the time a case gets to me he’s already spilled the beans told his story. And I’m in repair mode. And a lot of times, there may or may not even have been a crime is the

Jackie Critzer 2:34
problem with telling the story. It sounds like you’re saying they shouldn’t. They shouldn’t tell their story. But what’s the problem with telling their story,

Scott Cardani 2:42
the problem with telling their story is they don’t know enough to tell the story. There’s so many things out there in the legal verse that you can run afoul of by talking, you can actually incriminate yourself or other charges that you didn’t even know existed. And it sounds crazy. And I know that and for most of us, we probably never experienced this. But in our hyper culture right now, there’s so much out there that we have to just be so careful and reevaluate and say you know what? I get called down to the principal’s office Dad, what do I do? You don’t say anything? You don’t write anything? Because they always ask you, Hey, write a statement. What if they ask your kid Hey, I’m going to start your search your bookbag your locker? Is that okay with you? The minute they say Is that okay with you? They don’t have anything. Because if they had something they have, if they have what’s called probable cause it’s really not called that in juvenile law in a school, but doesn’t matter if they have a reasonable belief that something’s going on there, then they can search. So then asking you to search means they’re fishing. And you don’t want to be the bait. So the best thing you can do is say with all due respect, no, thank you. I’d rather you not search my locker. Can you talk to my parents? So

Jackie Critzer 4:02
is there a difference between a student’s bookbag versus a locker? And let me tell you why I’m thinking that just as a parent and a high school student, one day probably not very long ago, is that we were always told that the locker at school property they can get in anytime they want, you can’t stop them. And now as a more seasoned attorney, I understand there’s a reasonable expectation of privacy in a locker maybe definitely in a book bag, is there a difference between a book bag and a locker?

Scott Cardani 4:33
A lot of things go back to what you signed, when you entered the school and those kinds of things, those resources, but it really, we can get into all this and it gets really deep, but it really needs to stay really simple. Just don’t give them permission. If they search it anyways, you bring the case to me and let me ferret out if they violated your constitutional rights or Jackie and we can we can figure that out for you based on us looking at that stuff. But as a parent, we need to have Have a simple guide to this legal verse. You know, we were talking when we were talking about this, we were laughing about the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the universe. Because you don’t need to know what creates the stars and the moons, you need to know how to get from A to B. And as, especially as a juvenile, even an 18 year old, some of you parents have really dumped a lot of resources into your kids wanting the best for them. And you’re at this point, they may be 16 or 17 years old, and all sudden they’re in trouble. And you’re seeing their college and opportunities to window or whatever they’re going to do maybe a sports career something dwindle because of this mistake. Well, let’s

Jackie Critzer 5:40
talk about that. What if you’ve got a teenager, and maybe scholarships are on the line, any sort of criminal record is going to be a problem. But let’s talk about what happens when there’s maybe a reckless driving ticket, or even underage possession of alcohol, underage possession of marijuana, because even though it’s legal, it’s not legal for everyone. So you start running through these with these crimes that are they on their record forever. How worried do parents need to be there’s there’s so many questions.

Scott Cardani 6:10
Again, I think this is where parents really don’t understand the law. And there’s a lot of technicality here, but the bottom line is people are looking at it. It used to be your juvenile record was held off and nobody could really get to it. But that’s just not the case so much anymore. And again, when you’re applying for college application, and they ask you these questions, then you risk lying, and all that kind of stuff. So it’s really, people need to understand a reckless driving is a misdemeanor in Virginia

Jackie Critzer 6:36
isn’t a mystery mean, or even for a teenager, here’s how

Scott Cardani 6:39
it works. The code says it’s a misdemeanor, if done by an adult. However, parsing that out as a juvenile and on all these applications and all these things, it’s really difficult, and almost not worth the fluff because quite frankly, most of these things we’re just talking about are charges that can be reduced or taken off your record and completely getting gotten rid of so you don’t have to answer that question. If you take the proper steps, if you don’t get yourself in trouble. And depending on the jurisdiction, how the judges treat that, but we got to remember juvenile law was created to be a chance to correction and diversionary kind of thing where it’s not supposed to be punishment oriented. Obviously, if you keep going back and back and back, so there’s a lot we can do as attorneys with a with a conviction or pry of not a conviction, but with a charge that in other courts may not be possible. There are a lot of things you can do even the other courts, but when we’re talking about juvenile law, there’s just a breadth of things that can happen.

Jackie Critzer 7:45
So now let’s move forward. You’ve got a teenager who’s been ticketed for whatever reason, pick, pick a reason what happens after the the summons is what’s a summons? I mean, they have a ticket ticket to summons.

Scott Cardani 7:58
Yeah, I mean, a ticket a summons is you get to take it on the side of the road, it says come to court on this day, so you’re summoned to appear in court. So that’s how that works. If, if there’s a warrant or detention order the juvenile put out on you, then you pretty much get arrested until you come to court. So let me stop there. Because this is really important. Jackie, and I talk about this all the time. Some parents are so fearful of getting arrested, that they want their kid to talk to try to get out of being arrested because the cops gonna say I have you just tell me what’s going on. You don’t how many times I heard, if you just tell what’s going on, nothing will happen to you. Well, if you did something wrong, and you tell them what you did wrong, something’s gonna happen to you, for sure. So that’s not truth. And they’re trying to just get you to talk about it, the worst thing you can do is talk about it. So even if they’re risky, and saying, Well, we’re gonna throw you in jail tonight, if you don’t talk about it. Sometimes you have to look at your kid and say, It’s okay, we’re going to get you on the other side. And I’m sorry, this is happening to you. But it’s not okay to

Jackie Critzer 9:03
talk short term pain for long term potential gain.

Scott Cardani 9:06
It really is because what ends up happening, if you do talk at that moment, you’ve already admitted to it. And again, when it comes to me, I’ve got a acknowledgment that I did whatever I did, or a worse yet acknowledgement did something else, you know, so it’s really important. I tell my kids all the time. I mean, I have a almost 20 year old now who had his fun in high school at times, but he learned really quickly, if I don’t say anything, they don’t have anything. And that’s really, if you talk to a police officer, or a detective that you know, in the community, and you ask him, How many times are you actually able to solve the crime by yourself? And they’ll say, very rarely, without that cooperation from the person who did it. It’s very, very hard normally. Now I’m not saying that so you can get out of trouble. I’m not saying this that we should be skirting the law all the time. This is your constitutional right. This is what they’re supposed to prove that you did something you’re not supposed to prove it for him.

Jackie Critzer 10:08
Alright, so now that they’ve there’s a summons, maybe they’re in jail, maybe they’re out of jail. Can you talk about about what happens if the kid is taken to jail of all places? Do they go to jail? Is there I mean, is there a place where they can be held for the parents to be called? What what does that look like? All

Scott Cardani 10:24
right, usually, in almost every case, there there’s they would go to the detention home for the night. Usually in most jurisdictions there rain pretty immediately. But when you’re in a smaller jurisdictions like Goochland, in some of these courts only have court one day a week. So it really depend on how the juvenile court process works. And whether once they’re arrested, sometimes, the probation officer or the person working in that field may agree to do a detention order where they’re being held. Or he may say they can go home and return on a summons. So he has a lot of power to control that. But the bottom line is, you’re going to do something in that moment, but you’re not going to jail. I’m not saying that attention home is great by any means. But you know, you sleep on a cot for a night and hopefully the next morning, you go before a judge and unless you have some kind of crazy serious crime, you’re most likely going to go home.

Jackie Critzer 11:22
Well, and as a teenager, does a teenager get to call their parents so they get or their aunt uncle, can you phone a friend phone a relative? Yeah, most

Scott Cardani 11:29
of the time 90% of time the cops are going to be involved in that.

Jackie Critzer 11:32
The cops name involvement calling Yeah, the guardian or parent, yeah,

Scott Cardani 11:36
somebody is going to be calling you most likely you’re not going to It’s not like he’s going to be locked away, tucked away because they understand that you’re a parent, you’re probably worried about your kids. So they’re going to do all those things. It’s not like when you’re an adult, they don’t even know if you have somebody you’re worried about. So that’s, you’re going to get a call.

Jackie Critzer 11:50
Alright, so the kids been arrested, maybe in jail, maybe not. There’s a summons to return. You said a key word. You said arraigned? What does that what does that word mean?

Scott Cardani 11:59
So you know, you have this stuff. We talked about pre arrest, giving information when they’re detective maybe investigating and then you come to coordinates or first aid. Basically, what an arraignment is, is when you come to court, and the judge says, Hey, here’s your charges. Do you want an attorney? Or do you want not want an attorney? Sometimes you plead guilty or not guilty in that timeframe, but it’s really what the arraignment is about. And what the arraignment is done for is to tell you what you’re charged with, and to give your right to counsel. So if you, as a family are struggling financially, they have to provide you with an attorney, if it’s a crime that would put you in jail or cause some kind of detention time I said jail was early detention time,

Jackie Critzer 12:42
can you take an attorney to an arraignment?

Scott Cardani 12:45
You certainly can. And it’s always prudent to do that. And even if your child’s locked up, that’s the most prudent time to have somebody there at the arraignment because they’re going to address whether he stays in that moment, they’re going to dress whether he stays in the detention home or comes out. So that’s really, really important. So really, that’s a pretty short hearing. A lot of times there’s not prep work, but they’re looking at your home, how you are as a parent, whether this kid can be protected and whether society can be protected in that moment. And I’m trying not to be too legal about this and just trying to be more general. But you know, they’re just looking at your child safety and community safety in that moment to see hey, just going to be a good fit.

Jackie Critzer 13:30
Well, you you say something interesting, and I don’t think we need to get into it in this episode, we’ll do another episode about it. But is social services or child protective services going to be getting involved? If your kids gotten in trouble? And you said they’re coming to your house? Is that something people need to worry about? Or is it a yes, no. Let’s talk about that in another.

Scott Cardani 13:49
Yeah, it’s a yes. Now let’s talk about it just depends on the situation. And for most crimes, we’re talking about like trespass, stealing, you know, reckless driving those kinds of things. No, not at all. They’re not getting involved. It’s really when the child safety is kind of becoming an issue that they may or may not get it and I’ll say it that way. I think it’s just when safety is really a big issue, but for the most part no, they’re not going to get involved in a crime. Not at all now. I’ll save it sorry, I know he said I’m moving on.

Jackie Critzer 14:20
Alright, so they’ve been arraigned now there’s what’s after the arraignment, then I’ll

Scott Cardani 14:24
set a date for trial. Sometimes, at that moment, there’s a lot of power. This is where a lot of the power of attorney comes in. So if I’ve talked to the parents and set things up, we may set the next hearing as a status hearing which means we’re not doing anything in the next hearing. And maybe that’s because I’ve said the Commonwealth my clients going to do a bunch of things before the here and the next trial and really try to work this off so to speak. And if he does those things we can look at it at the status hearing they don’t offer say often say hey I’m not going to charge your kid or go for the trial. If you do XY and Z, a lot of times they’re saying, why don’t you do XY and Z. And let me see how I feel about it at the time. And I’m gonna have more time to talk about maybe talk to the victim or the school or whatever, and really get a little bit more background and see if this is a case, that should be kind of given the first bite at the apple, we call, you know, a chance to redeem themselves. And a lot of times they are given that chance, I’d say more often than not a first time person who’s going to the quarter, juveniles going to court first time is going to get a chance to redeem themselves. Even pretty serious. I’ve had cases where a kid took a gun to school and all kinds of stuff. And every one of those that judges have worked around, trying to give that kid every opportunity to work that off. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t depends on the severity of it. I had lots of them. But there’s a lot of factors in that. But, you know,

Jackie Critzer 15:56
that sounds more like the strategy to try to avoid where we first started, which is criminal conviction on a juvenile record having to report that to colleges, then enters, but if but if they’ve spoken to the police, or they’ve given multiple versions of their stories, then your job during that time is more difficult,

Scott Cardani 16:16
much more difficult. Again, if they haven’t spoken, they may not even have been arrested, they may have avoided the arrest because nobody knows what the heck really happened. In it, they are arrested. There’s probably just not enough evidence to get it through. And Jackie, and I always tell our clients when they sit down with us one of the first things we say, especially in difficult criminal cases we say, Do not talk to anybody, period. Well, do

Jackie Critzer 16:39
you mean on police,

Scott Cardani 16:41
I mean, teacher, anybody, especially your social group, your friends, you don’t talk about anywhere, because remember, anything you say to those people, somebody can come in and say, oh, yeah, he told me all about it. He told me this, this and this. And this may be helpful. Maybe not. But you shouldn’t be talking about it at all, because you don’t know how your conversations or maybe you’re just ticked off and you’re venting to your best friend, you know, and it just comes off weird. And you say something, and she gets a red flag saying, Oh, and you were really just angry. And you said the wrong thing. And you didn’t mean to say I did it.

Jackie Critzer 17:11
But well, and depending on the level of crime will depend on how many people they talk to, in your social fear your familial sphere, your school sphere, of course, social media, can mean Can they can the police, your investigators see your social media app? So many people think it’s private?

Scott Cardani 17:28
Yeah, I wonder about that. Absolutely. And it’s amazing to me, you already think Snapchat, everybody, all the kids do Snapchat? Because they think once they snap, and it goes away, that it’s gone? And it’s just not? I mean, I have had officers show me months and months and months and months of Snapchat that I would rather not see ever, you know, and so it’s very, very, very, not what you think, as they say, once it’s on the internet, it’s on the internet forever. Once you snap it out there, it’s there forever. Can everybody get everything? No, right? But the likelihood of them being able to get it with the right computer savvy person or get your phone, you know. So again, we’re just trying to go through the basics. But so you’re going to get this pre trial, that pre trial, you’re going to set a status hearing or the date for the trial. And at the date for the trial, again, you’re going in and if you get that far, and you don’t have some kind of deal worked out with the Commonwealth, you’re actually going to put your case on and that means the Commonwealth in Virginia, a lot of people in other states are called district attorneys or stuff like that. So if you come from another state, you don’t know it, Commonwealth attorney is kind of helps a little bit the prosecutor, the prosecutor is going to come in, and they’re gonna say, Here’s my evidence judge, they’re gonna talk, they’re gonna put the officer on probably first and say, What did you find out in your investigation?

Jackie Critzer 18:47
Well, maybe the principal and maybe your friend and maybe your mom, or the kid

Scott Cardani 18:51
that was hit or, you know, it’s like I said, it’s really interesting, especially in driving charges, a lot of kids wreck. And they get this thing called a reckless driving. It’s a misdemeanor in Virginia, which is crazy. But more importantly is 95% of time nobody saw anything. They’re driving down a road by themselves. And they overcorrected or did something simple. And the cop comes and says, Did you drive the wrong way? And you go, yes. So you just admitted to a reckless driving charge. When you say with all due respect officer, I’m just not comfortable talking about this. And he’ll probably give you a ticket for reckless driving but when they go to court, they obviously gonna stand up there and go. What happened? Well, I got there in the car was in the ditch. Okay. Did the the gentleman make any statements that the young lady make any statements? No. And then at that point, I’m looking at the judge to go Judge, I have motion to strike. We don’t know how he got in the ditch. They have to prove how he got in the ditch. And that case is dissolved immediately. I mean, that’s completely different than speeding if they’re going 108 miles an hour and the state trooper is sitting there with the gun. I’m clicking them, you know, obviously, but even then it’s not okay to go when they pull you over and go, were you speeding? Yes, I was, I’m so sorry. I was in a hurry for whatever reason, better thing to say is, with all due respect officer, I understand what’s going on here I’d rather not speak. So and he’s gonna write you a summons, you’re gonna go to court. So

Jackie Critzer 20:16
when when is the best time for the parents to talk to an attorney.

Scott Cardani 20:22
As soon as you get wind that something’s going on, even if you think potentially something might came come down the chain, for instance, your son or daughter was at a party. And you understand from the community that Johnny and Jimmy have been arrested for something that that party, you know, or you heard something happened at school, when you talk to your son may have snapped something. And, you know, social media is a huge one with a cyber bullying and stuff like that, say, your son’s in a group chat with 20 of his friends. And Stacy decides to go crazy and called Jimmy, a moron and it gets back and forth. And then she says, I’m gonna kill you, I wish you would die. I want you to stick needles in your eyes. And all sudden, there’s these cyber bullying stuff that can come out of it. And your son is just part of the group chat, you know, and he may or may not have responded, and how did he respond? And all that stuff becomes the first thing they’re going to do? I want to see your phone, want to do this and that. And again, you can’t stop them necessarily from taking your phone or taking your computer unless the attorney is already involved and may be able to to some but the bottom line is you don’t give them permission. You know, with all due respect, no, I don’t want you to look at my phone. Thanks. You know, and you call us to say, Okay, we’re gonna go through it, we’re gonna talk about what happened. And, you know, that’s where you need to be honest. And that one on one conversation with your attorney. A lot of times I tell parents, and this is really key parents. A lot of times, I’m going to ask you to leave the room when I talk to your son or your daughter. And the reason being is, if you’re sitting in the room with me, and we discuss it, they can subpoena you to be a witness against your very Son that you’re trying to protect. So it’s better for me sometimes if you’re not present, and I can just sit down and say what happened. And I, Jackie, and I have this great story of a case we handle a long, long time ago.

Scott Cardani 22:20
Anyways, back up so Jackie, and I have the story from a long time ago where we had a kid charged with certain charges

Jackie Critzer 22:37
I don’t know. Alright, anyway,

Scott Cardani 22:39
anyways, well, back in time ago, I long time ago, Jackie, and I had a case together where we were representing a juvenile. And we asked him the story in private about how it happened, because we just weren’t sure how it happened when we’re recording. Yeah, it automatically we didn’t need that button. Okay. We’re not recording on here, probably. But we’re recording. Okay. All right. So anyways, one more time, we’ll cut all this out, boom, a long time ago, Jackie, and I had a client. And, you know, we had the parents come through, and we asked them what really happened. And when he told us what really happened, we realized that this was really about hurt feelings, and not about the client doing something completely wrong. And eventually, once we got that information and could work with that, and work with the Commonwealth attorney, and all these kinds of things we were eventually able to, because he didn’t make a statement, he followed our advice he didn’t talk about he didn’t do all these things. Eventually, that case actually went away because they just didn’t have the evidence. And, and that happens a lot. And sometimes somebody scorned and mad is gonna go Jackie smack me when in fact, she didn’t smack me. And, you know, because Jackie didn’t say anything. Eventually, sometimes that person will get a conscience and say, you know, that really didn’t happen. I’m not gonna go to court and testify over that because it didn’t happen. But, you know, that’s what we’re talking about this process is can can be very long, can go on for months sometimes.

Jackie Critzer 24:05
And the first steps you take can have a major impact on how the rest of this journey goes,

Scott Cardani 24:10
Yeah, it’s so amazing. You know, as I sit there, and you know, and I tell people all the time, we were in court a lot because of the nature of our practice. And I sit in court sometimes and watch people just throw themselves on the altar, so to speak, for something, they really probably wasn’t even a crime. And they’re admitted to it, and they’re getting this conviction or even if it’s taken under advisement, which is a big thing I’ll talk about, we’re all sick real quick. Taking it under advisement means basically the courts gonna say there’s enough evidence here to find you guilty, but I’m gonna hold on to this case and give you a chance to work it off. And I will make you do this, that and the other thing, community service, maybe a program maybe a shoplifters or something like that, right. And then I’m gonna set it out for six months. And if you come back and done everything asked for you, then I’ll reevaluate whether I’m actually To find you guilty or for guilty for what? So that you have some flexibility. So talking about

Jackie Critzer 25:11
how the beginning impacts the end

Scott Cardani 25:20
come on. Sorry for this awkward pause Scott.

Scott Cardani 25:30
What I just say? I just talked about what

Jackie Critzer 25:34
I said, what you say at the beginning can impact how long the journey is? And you said, Yeah, and it can impact you’re talking about the deferred disposition.

Scott Cardani 25:43
Yeah, take it under advisement? Yes. I really can’t pick up where I was going. And it’s really weird. So a court may take it under advisement, I would tell you to take it under advisement means.

Scott Cardani 26:07
That’s so weird. Sorry. That’s okay. Anyways.

Jackie Critzer 26:11
Well, we talked a lot about social media. And we’ve seen in our practice together and individually, cases where social media has really caused some problems, whether it’s child pornography, and what that even means. And I think

Scott Cardani 26:27
I think I know where I was at. I think I can wrap it up. Okay, we’ll come back to that. But I think it’s important. All right, like we said, I’m going to go back to this, take it under advisement, which means the court holds it. And for a period of time and says, Look, I’m going to find there’s enough evidence here to find you guilty. However, I’m not going to find you guilty, right? Now, I’m going to give you a chance, maybe they’re going to ask for community service, or for you to do a program like a shoplifters program or some kind of payback, so to speak to the court to show that you’re serious. And this was a mistake. And all that is so really important. As we said, when you start the right way, you’re not already convicted, you’re not already in a bad place. And the court has a lot more flexibility about what they can do, and can’t do, because you go from the arrest the arraignment to this trial. And then even after the trial, there’s a dispositional period sometimes, where the court may say come back later for disposition, I have enough evidence. But if you’ve talked, or you’ve done all these things like and help them, then it is trial phase, there, it might be more of a slam dunk, and there might be a little bit less that your courts willing to do. And so often, they just don’t have what they need to seal that deal. And when you come to us, and you’ve talked to us about it, and we can help you through it, we just want you to know that there’s you have rights. Number one, even in school, you have rights, and giving up your rights isn’t helping anybody. Right. And kind of thing like this time, sometimes parents, I want to say this last thing, I think and we’ll shift a little bit, but think of it this way, you protecting your constitutional rights, keeps the guard up. So we keep police officers from doing their job or keep police officers doing their job. If we don’t keep our constitutional standards up and make them prove their case, then eventually what we see is the erosion of our rights and all sudden they’re knocking on our doors are telling us what to do and what we can do and can’t do, because we’ve just lost that. And when we stand up for when Jackie stands up for her rights as a student, then the next time they go to another student, they realize they have to really maybe walk through this a little bit better and actually do the job and dot the i’s and cross the T’s and all that stuff. And we’re just building that protection. And I love police officers, great people, you know, there’s always bad ones and stuff like that. It’s not about making them the bad guy, but it’s about making them do their job. We do our job, everybody does their job. That’s how our system, nobody understands sometimes how our system is set up. But it’s it’s so intricate in everybody doing their job. And as our framers and founders said, it’s better for 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent man to be one day in jail. And that’s the mindset we have to have. Because we are protecting the society by doing our part. And it really is important. It makes a big difference. I know it sounds crazy, but I promise you, it’ll sound crazy until your kid you get a phone call about your kid and then it’s all kicking and go oh, this is real now. So always think about that. Always think about you’re teaching your kid his constitutional rights or his driving rights, that he doesn’t have to tell the police anything other than his name, give them their driver’s license and give insurance information other than that,

Jackie Critzer 29:42
and protecting their futures and protecting from whatever Fallout could come that may not come for being less chatty about what’s going on. So that’s our That’s the summary of juvenile criminal defense and and another episode that that I think is important for juveniles, we talk about juvenile sex crimes. And I don’t mean juvenile prostitutes but sexting or texting pictures back and forth. And is it okay if your son has, you know, pictures from his girlfriend of her body different body parts and new pictures? And same thing for the girl? Is it a problem for the boy to send her pictures of his private parts? And when is that a problem and how does it become a problem? And and how that can lead to a lifelong rap sheet that has a sex crime in it. So that’s on another episode.

Scott Cardani 30:32
Alrighty, sounds good. Thank you. Thank you goodbye.

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